Yes to some degree I am as well, although I must admit its more about the retro computers than the consoles for me.
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Re: Retro gaming
By: Nightfox to All on Tue
Sep 14 2021 09:14:45
Who else is into retro gaming?
I really started getting into retro gaming when I first saw emulators appearing in the late 90s. I thought it was really cool that there were emulators that allowed playing NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, and other console games on my PC. Some emulators also had some fairly interesting features, such as allowing multi-player gaming with other people over the internet.
I don't know that I'm "into" retro gaming so much as my taste in games just never advanced beyond a certain era. In 1995, I was playing games released in 1995. In 2005, I was playing games released in 1995. In
2015, I was playing games released in 1995.
I don't have time these days to play games (kids, you know), but when I do, I'm sure it'll be the same old games.
I grew up with PC games, so all the games I play are PC games usually,
but I did get into console emulators about 10 or 15 years ago. When I
was a kid, the consoles really were black boxes, much moreso than PCs,
so they held a bit of mystery for me. Now in the emulator we can see precisely how everything was specced out, and it's kind of cool to peer inside the box a little.
I once took one of my old favourite SNES games (NHL '94) and started tinkering with it to make it more difficult. I could have never dreamed
of doing something like that in 1995 when the tooling for consoles (cartridges!!) was far beyond what mere peasants could tinker with.
That's cool :)
That sounds similar to the Game Genie, though the Game Genie helped make games easier.. :P
I enjoyed console games back in the day, but I can't really think of anythin miss about playing the games on a CRT vs. newer screens. I might give it a again some time.
Nightfox
I enjoyed console games back in the day, but I can't really think of
anythin miss about playing the games on a CRT vs. newer screens. I
might give it a again some time.
I did some testing with friends some years ago. There is certainly a big difference when playing a Nintendo 64. The image looks more jerky on a modern display than on a traditional one. It is definetively noticeable and not something only a graphicsfag will complain about.
I have heard there is an actual, knwon reason, but I don't recall which it was.
I used to have a Nintendo 64 in the 90s. I've since played some N64 games o emulators. I remember N64 looking fairly nice on a CRT, but I didn't feel l it really looked worse on a modern screen.
Nightfox
I just set up retro pi with my son the other day and got him a C64 Mini for his birthday. Next step is he wants to write some
stuff in his emulator and then transfer it to the C64 mini. Not sure how far we will get in that effort, but we've been having
fun.
There are some Great IDE's around for writing stuff on Windows then transfering it to Emu/Real Machine.
ie CBM Prg Studio etc.
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I like retro computer stuff as well. For a while now, I've been
watching Clint Basinger's LGR videos on YouTube - His LGR videos are
all about retro computers and the hardware and software from the 80s
and 90s. It takes me back to those days.. He has some cool retro computer setups. I feel like I don't really want to invest too much
time and money collecting retro stuff, but I enjoy watching his videos.
His enthusiasm for retro computers is pretty much what I felt for computer technology growing up in the 80s and 90s.
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It would be worth hooking the SNES up to an original CRT TV. There is an experience you get with the old TVs that modern PC screens struggle to emulate. RetroRGB is a pretty good site looking at how to get the best signal from consoles if you want to look into stuff like that - enjoy!
I enjoyed console games back in the day, but I can't really think of anything I miss about playing the games on a CRT vs. newer screens. I might give it a try again some time.
Thanks! I ran across this and was freaking floored. Especially because even though it's been 25 years since I've programmed in
Pascal I miss it. So I think we are going to have some fun - https://lemonspawn.com/turbo-rascal-syntax-error-expected-but-begin/
In any case there's plenty of quality games on SNES which hold up today, more than the Genesis/Mega Drive I think.
I once took one of my old favourite SNES games (NHL '94) and started tinkering with it to make it more
difficult. I could have never dreamed of doing something like that in 1995 when the tooling for consol
(cartridges!!) was far beyond what mere peasants could tinker with.
What tools are you using to edit the games? Hacking propietay games is very popular but I have never
taken the time to check how people is doing it in the wild.
I once took one of my old favourite SNES games (NHL '94) and started tinkering with it to make it more difficult. I could have never dreamed of doing something like that in 1995 when the tooling for consoles (cartridges!!) was far beyond what mere peasants could tinker with.
Have you seen this? NHL '94 is still pretty popular and they are constantly modding it with new rosters, graphics, etc - https://www.nhl94.com/
What tools are you using to edit the games? Hacking propietay games is ve popular but I have never
taken the time to check how people is doing it in the wild.
I never got so far as changing the code, just changing memory (variables). Whatever emulator I was using allowed you to change values directly in memor
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One thing I think was interesting about cartridge-based consoles was
that cartridges allowed game developers to include additional processor chips inside their game cartridges if they wanted. I heard Starfox had
a processor chip in its cartridge that was some sort of graphics processor, which helped with the 3D graphics in the game. I think I
heard F-Zero used it too.
Yeah there was loads of that going on with the SNES, especially in the later years of the scene where Nintendo was a little behind Sony and
Sega in having a next generation console available for purchase. Yoshi's Island is a good example. It didn't happen so much with the Genesis but Sega was pushing its 32X addon which didn't work out for them.
Re: Re: Retro gaming
By: Mr Ned to Nightfox on Fri Sep 17 2021 11:48 am
Yeah there was loads of that going on with the SNES, especially in the later years of the scene where Nintendo was a little behind Sony and Sega in having a next generation console available for purchase. Yoshi' Island is a good example. It didn't happen so much with the Genesis but Sega was pushing its 32X addon which didn't work out for them.
Nintendo, behind? In the 90s, I thought their Nintendo 64 was really good. thought the N64's graphics were better than the Playstation (I always though Playstation's graphics looked blocky), and the Playstation seemed to suffer from slow load times due to using CD-ROM games rather than cartridge games. The N64 also had a 64-bit processor whereas the others were using a 32-bit processor, I believe - though maybe that didn't really offer much..
Nightfox
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Nintendo, behind? In the 90s, I thought their Nintendo 64 was really good. I thought the N64's graphics were better than the Playstation (I always thought Playstation's graphics looked blocky), and the
Playstation seemed to suffer from slow load times due to using CD-ROM games rather than cartridge games. The N64 also had a 64-bit processor whereas the others were using a 32-bit processor, I believe - though
maybe that didn't really offer much..
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Nintendo's games excelled at being built around original concepts or interesting designs, more than on superior technical capabilities. Even
if you compare the blatant Playstation copies of Nintendo 64 titles
(say, Mario Kart vs Crash Team Racing, or F-Zero vs Wip3out) the
blatant copies don't fall behind at all.*
* I just learned there is a Wipeout port to the Nintendo 64.
Interesting find.
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Who else is into retro gaming?
missed having a real console. A long time ago, I had an original NES,
a Nintendo 64, and a TurboGrafX-16. For a while, a SNES as well. I
just bought a SNES on eBay.. I'm not sure what all I'll do with it,
since I can play the games with emulators, but it might be fun.
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Re: Re: Retro gaming
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX
on Mon Sep 20 2021 22:37:00
As far as I'm concerned, There is not much that is more retro than a
good ole BBS Door Game! :)
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Have you seen this? NHL '94 is still pretty popular and they are constantly modding it with new rosters, graphics, etc - https://www.nhl94.com/
That is so cool! I hadn't heard of it before. I'm not surprised,
though. NHL 94 was definitely the best game in the NHL series, at least going into the 2000s, and I know I'm not alone in thinking that.
The greatest thing (to me) to happen in gaming was for ID Software to open source the DOOM engine and allow third-party levels. I'm still playing a game I started playing almost 30 years ago, and it's bigger and better than when I started.
Maybe it's because it's the first thing I played, but I think some of the levels on DOOM are some of the best I'd played. Then again, I played a *lot* of it back then.
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As far as I'm concerned, There is not much that is more retro than a
good ole BBS Door Game! :)
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Yeah - I miss the days of several people playing LoRD, Global War, etc.
Yeah - I miss the days of several people playing LoRD, Global War,I did register Global War and Global Backgammon, but i dont see anyone interested.
Yeah - I miss the days of several people playing LoRD, Global War,I did register Global War and Global Backgammon, but i dont see anyone interested.
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Yeah - I miss the days of several people playing LoRD, Global War,
I did register Global War and Global Backgammon, but i dont see anyone interested.
I did register Global War and Global Backgammon, but i dont see anyone interested.
just fyi, I'm playing Global War and Global Backgammon quite regularly on BBSlink :)
Regards,
Anna
Who else is into retro gaming?
Re: Retro gaming
By: Nightfox to All on Tue Sep 14 2021 09:14 am
Who else is into retro gaming?
I know we discussed this already in #synchronet, but ... I thought I'd mentioned here before that I bought a retro gaming handheld (the Powkiddy RGB10 MAX 2) a couple years ago and was super impressed at what you can get for the money these days. I even bought a couple as gifts.
My teenage daughter sort of took ownership of my RGB10 MAX 2, so today I bought myself (for a long flight) a Miyoo Mini Plus (for $59 on Amazon), which has a smaller, little bit lower res screen, and is in the vertical (Gameboy) layout, but mostly the same game/emulation support as the Powkiddy I own. I was also pondering the Anbernic RG35XXH (horizontal) or RG35XXSP (flip), but liked the look of the Onion OS option for the Miyoo better and it was about $10 cheaper <shrug>.
There are *so* many options (hardware, "OS") in the retro gaming handheld space. I do think I'd like something that played all (or most) N64 games well, but that's getting into the multi-hundo price range. The ports to these platforms of course run well on all of them, but volunteer devs can't (or won't) do that for most old console games (though, someone did it for the Super Mario 64). I see the Powkiddy RGB10 MAX 3 is out and there's other updated larger screen/wide devices and some super small form factor ones too. Fun stuff!
There are *so* many options (hardware, "OS") in the retro gaming handheld space. I do think I'd like something that played all (or most) N64 games well, but that's getting into the multi-hundo price range. The ports to these platforms of course run well on all of them, but volunteer devs can't (or won't) do that for most old console games (though, someone did it for the Super Mario 64). I see the Powkiddy RGB10 MAX 3 is out and there's other updated larger screen/wide devices and some super small form factor ones too. Fun stuff!
Re: Retro gaming
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 25 2024 19:48:09
I have the Anbernic RG 35XX plus, it like a game boy and is great.
Its very powerful and plays everything upto the PSP.
The software it comes with works great out of the box and comes fully loaded. You can put Onion on it is you like, I was going to but I really liked it how it come so I left it as is.
There are definitely a lot of options for handheld retro gaming. I decided to order a Powkiddy RGB10 MAX 3, so I'm looking forward to using that when it arrives. Depending on how I like it, I might sell my RetroFlag Pi-based retro handheld.
arrives. Depending on how I like it, I might sell my RetroFlag Pi-based retr handheld.
I have the Anbernic RG 35XX plus, it like a game boy and is great.
Its very powerful and plays everything upto the PSP.
Do you have the GPi Case? I've got one, and while I don't use it near as much as the Odroid Go Advance (which doesn't get much use to begin with), I don't think I'll ever get rid of it :). When the Gameboy first came out, I would lay awake at night thinking about them and how much I wanted one, and partly because of the aesthetic. Definitely will always love the GPi Case. What I've noticed, though, is it goes through AA batteries faster than if you hook up the regular USB power cable into a USB battery. I've been playing it that way. Also I have a distro on it that seemed to boot much faster than all the rest.
I think for that device, the custom OS equivalent is "Garlic" (not Onion), but yeah, same idea.
Let us know how you like the RGB10 MAX 3. For $99, it's kind of hard to go wrong.
These days I mostly do my retro gaming on my Steam Deck, it does a great job running retroarch and has a nice screen for my old eyes ;)
I also have a heavily modded PS Vita that I still play around with quite frequently... it has some hockey games that came out for the PSP and Vita, and again, Retroarch runs good on it for most platforms.
About 3 years ago I played around with the "Retroid Pocket 2" and was pretty impressed with it but it really shows its age today compared to what's available. I even loaded up IPTV on it to give it that "nostalgic vibe ala "TurboExpress with TV adapter" feeling... I had a TurboExpress back in the day (that took me what felt like forever to save up for) but I never had the TV tuner. Here's what my IPTV install on the Retroid looked like:
Who else is into retro gaming?
I have a full-size MAME machine.
LOVE IT!!! 2,120 games!
Who else is into retro gaming?
I have a full-size MAME machine.
LOVE IT!!! 2,120 games!
I'm pretty sure I wrote that part of the message you quoted, but you responded to someone else..
I feel like 2,120 would be a lot to choose from. There's a paradox of choice where having too many things to choose from could make you feel overwhelmed and make it difficult to actually make a choice. I tend to have a smaller number of games on my emulation devices, and it's mostly games I really like or might want to play.
Definatly, Its like with all these streaming services, I end up clicking through the menu until I give up and re-watch something like Futurama that I have seen 15000 times.. It gets tiring.. A good while ago I soft-modded my wii and stuck almost every game that I have in my file areas on it (sega, snes, nes, n64, atari) ended up playing about 5 different things and doing other linuxy stuff on it.. now it's been in the closet for about 5 years. may break it out and put synchronet on it :-)
Re: Retro gaming
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 25 2024 07:48 pm
Who else is into retro gaming?
I have a full-size MAME machine.
LOVE IT!!! 2,120 games!
do you use one of those gui softwares? i cant remember the name but i downloaded it.
LOVE IT!!! 2,120 games!
do you use one of those gui softwares? i cant remember the name but i downloaded it.
have seen 15000 times.. It gets tiring.. A good while ago I soft-modded my w and stuck almost every game that I have in my file areas on it (sega, snes, nes, n64, atari) ended up playing about 5 different things and doing other linuxy stuff on it.. now it's been in the closet for about 5 years. may bre
connected via the 5 component inputs - 3 RGB for video, and 2 for the stereo audio. It seems that most TVs these days just have HDMI inputs. The TV I'm
It's not in a PC - i have a game console loaded with the ROMS inside a full size (heavy-as-fuck) coin-op machine. I wired it up and the joysticks and buttons. I'll take a pic of it and post it somewhere.
Do you remember what you emu(s) you were using to play all those games? Was > anything that could run native or did you have to open the homebrew channel? > Also, what kinda linuxy stuff did you do on it, out of curiosity?
do you use one of those gui softwares? i cant remember the name but i downloaded it.
It's not in a PC - i have a game console loaded with the ROMS inside a full size (heavy-as-fuck) coin-op machine. I wired it up and the joysticks and buttons. I'll take a pic of it and post it somewhere.
Stuff"I used it as a multi-use type computer for my ham radio stuff, satell tracking, and I think even sdr stuff. it was just a pretty good little linux box to play with. :-)
Stuff"I used it as a multi-use type computer for my ham radio stuff, sat > > tracking, and I think even sdr stuff. it was just a pretty good little li > > box to play with. :-)
Hey, that's cool, I didn't think of stuff like that. I wonder if you can acc > any ports somehow in Linux.
I thought mame runs on personal computers.
Re: Retro gaming
By: MRO to KnightMare on Wed Aug 28 2024 07:12 pm
I thought mame runs on personal computers.
MAME runs on all kinds of platforms, even little/cheap retro gaming handhelds.
yeah but he says he has a cabinet; isn't that always powered by a personal computer instead of some little handheld you get off amazon? I knew people that built them and they always used a personal computer.
There are definitely a lot of options for handheld retro gaming. I decided
to order a Powkiddy RGB10 MAX 3, so I'm looking forward to using that when
it arrives. Depending on how I like it, I might sell my RetroFlag Pi-based
retro handheld.
Let us know how you like the RGB10 MAX 3. For $99, it's kind of hard to go wrong.
The model I bought is actually the RGB10 MAX 3 Pro
I'm not sure if I want to keep JelOS on it.
Re: Retro gaming
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Mon Aug 26 2024 02:26 pm
There are definitely a lot of options for handheld retro gaming. I decided
to order a Powkiddy RGB10 MAX 3, so I'm looking forward to using that when
it arrives. Depending on how I like it, I might sell my RetroFlag Pi-based
retro handheld.
Let us know how you like the RGB10 MAX 3. For $99, it's kind of hard to go wrong.
The model I bought is actually the RGB10 MAX 3 Pro, which has some more buttons on the front (about $115).
It arrived today, and I've played with
it just a little bit. I bought it with a micro-SD card, and when I powered it on, I found it came pre-installed with an OS (JelOS) and a bunch of ROMs pre-loaded onto it (unexpected, but I suppose considering it came from China, not too surprising).
The screen is clear and sharp, and the console
feels fairly comfortable to hold & play. Even though the site lists the specs, I feel like it was a little bigger than expected. The GCW-Zero I used to have was a little smaller, and I think its size was a bit more manageable. I usually use a retro handheld while laying down on a couch or in bed, and I think the size could make a difference in how comfortable it is to hold & play that way.
I'm not sure if I want to keep JelOS on it. I've been using Recalbox on my Pi-based RetroFlag handheld, but I've also heard you mention Onion, which I might check out.
Also, I hadn't previously noticed, but their web site says it doesn't have built-in wifi, so if you want that functionality, you'd have to buy a separate wifi adapter. They have a small USB wifi adapter they sell (along with a required USB-A to USB-C adapter to plug it into the device); it looks like AliExpress sells theirs, and it sounds like there are some wifi adapters on Amazon that will work with it. Some emulators let you play multi-player online, and some retro gaming OSes allow accessing the storage over your network, which is where a wifi adapter can be useful.
Aside from a wifi adapter, a carrying case might be nice to have, to protect it while in storage and if I want to bring it with me somewhere. Powkiddy sells those too, but I didn't really think to buy one there when I ordered mine.
The model I bought is actually the RGB10 MAX 3 Pro, which has some more
buttons on the front (about $115).
Oh, interesting. The MAX 3 Pro is actually older than the MAX 3: https://youtu.be/PVxSdVQwQ6s?t=695
They mostly seem to come with SD Cards with many thousands of ROMs as kind of a selling point. Usually the SD Card is not very high quality though.
I've put a few hours on the Miyoo Mini Plus now and while the form factor isn't as comfortable, it's small size is pretty great. For Gameboy/GBC/GBA games, I think it's a great device. I think its biggest downside is the lack of analog sticks. Even though the hardware (processor, graphics) are capable of playing some old favs like Doom, Quake, and Duke Nukem, the lack of the stick really makes playing those games impractical.
Oh, interesting. The MAX 3 Pro is actually older than the MAX 3: https://youtu.be/PVxSdVQwQ6s?t=695
Ah, interesting.. Spec-wise, I wonder if the Pro is still supposed to be a step up from the non-Pro version. Their site says they have different processors, but the Pro's is a 6-core, whereas the non-Pro has a quad-core.
They mostly seem to come with SD Cards with many thousands of ROMs as kind of a selling point. Usually the SD Card is not very high quality though.
Ah, I figured it would be convenient to order the card from them. And since it's already loaded with stuff, it's an example of how the ROMs are organized and how to add more (there are XML files in each directory where you can specify a 'cover art' image for each ROM and specify the publisher, release date, etc. if you want).
I think my main complaint about it is that the D-pad is fairly sensitive. The lack of wifi is a little disappointing, but honestly I don't use network capability in a handheld emulation device much anyway.
I've put a few hours on the Miyoo Mini Plus now and while the form factor isn't as comfortable, it's small size is pretty great. For Gameboy/GBC/GBA games, I think it's a great device. I think its biggest downside is the lack of analog sticks. Even though the hardware (processor, graphics) are capable of playing some old favs like Doom, Quake, and Duke Nukem, the lack of the stick really makes playing those games impractical.
Yeah, I think it's good to have the analog sticks. Also, this is the first one I've had that looks like it can play PS2 games fairly well. I thought it would be interesting to try out some PS2 games on it. I thought it was already impressive that other handhelds I've had before can play original Playstation games fairly well.
The lack of wifi is a little disappointing, but honestly I don't use network capability in a handheld emulation device much anyway.
MAME runs on all kinds of platforms, even little/cheap retro gaming handhelds.
yeah but he says he has a cabinet; isn't that always powered by a personal computer instead of some little handheld you get off amazon?
I knew people that built them and they always used a personal computer.
I found some ROM sets on archive.org pre-setup with cover art, etc. Saved me a lot of time curriating.
MAME runs on all kinds of platforms, even little/cheap retro gaming
handhelds.
I almost sure there's a Pi version too!
MAME runs on all kinds of platforms, even little/cheap retro gaming
handhelds.
I almost sure there's a Pi version too!
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