• If replacing VHS copies...

    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Fri Sep 17 21:31:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 16.09.21 - 14:56, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:

    If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buy
    the DVDs or blu-ra if available. They usually do a process
    so that the image takes advantage o the mediums' higher
    resolution. If you record VHS onto DVD etc., then you'r
    still really only getting a 480p(?) quality image from the
    VHS tape.

    I agree that getting a recent digital copy that has been
    properly transefer is optimal, but from my end, I encounter
    two issues:

    1) I am not buying a film I already own, even if for
    upgrading from a format to another.

    And.. sometimes there is a modest feeling of satisfaction of
    having made your own transfer/copy in your own time using your
    own resources.

    I did something similar with a Kate Bush VHS not long ago.
    Apparently, the DVD version was next to non-existent. So, it
    was rather interesting to build separate recordings of each
    song (they're still on the HDD DVR machine) and now be able to
    watch anyone at any time instead of end-to-end on VHS.
    Meanwhile, I could produce a DVD where I could pick any video
    selectively.

    The max 480i from the VHS source doesn't bother me, considering
    that I didn't have to spend extra $s for my own DVD version.


    2) Many times, they botch the transfers by including
    deleted scenes that were excluded from the original for a
    good reason.


    You mean "extended Director's cuts"? The DVD versions of old
    VHS films that I've encountered have had the "deleted scenes"
    as a special feature which could be ignored.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Fri Sep 17 21:41:00 2021
    Hello Nightfox!

    ** On Thursday 16.09.21 - 09:32, Nightfox wrote to Ogg:

    Makes sense to put VHS onto a newer medium anyway. I have
    a DVR recorder that can faciliate the output of a VHS
    player [...]

    If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buy
    the DVDs or blu-rays if available. They usually do a
    process so that the image takes advantage of the mediums'
    higher resolution. If you record VHS onto DVD etc., then
    you're still really only getting a 480p(?) quality image
    from the VHS tape.

    If I happen to come across a shrinkwrapped $5 DVD version of a
    film that I may still have on VHS, then maybe I'll buy it. But
    I wouldn't spend $20+ on a DVD version.

    I can count the VHS movies that I own on two hands. And, I'm in
    no hurry with more conversions. If I'm in a mood to watch one
    of those VHS movies since having acquired the DVR HDD machine,
    I'll start the recording process and watch the HDD version.
    And if I need to recover space on the HDD, I'll burn the film
    to DVD.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sat Sep 18 11:33:47 2021
    Re: If replacing VHS copies...
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Sep 17 2021 09:31 pm

    2) Many times, they botch the transfers by including
    deleted scenes that were excluded from the original for a
    good reason.


    You mean "extended Director's cuts"? The DVD versions of old
    VHS films that I've encountered have had the "deleted scenes"
    as a special feature which could be ignored.


    Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenes.

    Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanish voice actors are no
    longer available for the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by different voice actors
    than the rest of the movie and it sucks sucks sucks.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Sat Sep 18 14:25:00 2021
    Re: If replacing VHS copies..
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Sat Sep 18 2021 11:33 am

    Re: If replacing VHS copies...
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Sep 17 2021 09:31 pm

    2) Many times, they botch the transfers by including
    deleted scenes that were excluded from the original for a
    good reason.


    You mean "extended Director's cuts"? The DVD versions of old
    VHS films that I've encountered have had the "deleted scenes"
    as a special feature which could be ignored.


    Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenes

    Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanish v longer available for the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by than the rest of the movie and it sucks sucks sucks.

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    In the cases I've run into films with cut footage edited back in, they DVD or Blu Ray allows you to view either version unless it is specifically sold as a directors or editors cut.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Sat Sep 18 17:47:35 2021
    Re: If replacing VHS copies...
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Sat Sep 18 2021 11:33 am

    Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenes.

    I've found that often times, a DVD (or blu-ray) movie offers you a choice to watch the theatrical release or the extended release(s). Sometimes both versions are on the same disc and there's a menu option, and other times, there are multiple discs with the different versions of the movie. And other times, the deleted scenes are a special feature rather than being added back into the movie.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sat Sep 18 22:58:54 2021
    Re: If replacing VHS copies...
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Sat Sep 18 2021 11:33 am

    Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenes.

    Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanish voice actors are no longer available for the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by different voice actors than the rest of the movie and it sucks sucks sucks.


    they always mess with the releases. i've seen a movie and then seen it later on dvd and it's missing a scene or it has added scenes. i havent seen it in a while, but it happens. when i've seen it, i have no idea why they do it. it doesnt contribute anything.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sun Sep 19 05:13:51 2021
    Re: If replacing VHS copies...
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sat Sep 18 2021 10:58 pm

    Re: If replacing VHS copies...
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Sat Sep 18 2021 11:33 am

    Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenes.

    Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanis voice actors are no longer available for the voiceovers, so the additiona scenes get dubbed by different voice actors than the rest of the movie an it sucks sucks sucks.


    they always mess with the releases. i've seen a movie and then seen it late on dvd and it's missing a scene or it has added scenes. i havent seen it in while, but it happens. when i've seen it, i have no idea why they do it. it doesnt contribute anything.

    I hate it the most when they mess with the dubbing.

    The Robin Hood film by Kevin Costner is one of my childhood movies. I watched it so often when I was a kid than the dialogues are fireburnt in my brain. I have the movie recorded on a VHS from TV.

    My mother got me the DVD many years later. The movie is the same, but they remade ALL of the Spanish dubbing. Most of the dubbers are actually the same voice actors, but the small infections in the voice are not identical. Everytime I watch the DVD it grinds my brain into thin paste because the voices from the DVD do not match the voices my mind remembers.

    Why, oh, why?!

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Mon Sep 20 00:27:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Saturday 18.09.21 - 11:33, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    You mean "extended Director's cuts"? [...]

    Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip
    the added scenes.

    Having no option sounds brutal.


    Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often
    times, the Spanish voice actors are no longer available for
    the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by
    different voice actors than the rest of the movie and it
    sucks sucks sucks.

    Do you *have* to watch the Spanish versions? I thought that
    your command of the English language was pretty good - or, does
    that just apply to the written English?


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Mon Sep 20 03:48:52 2021
    Re: If replacing VHS copies...
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Sep 20 2021 12:27 am

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Saturday 18.09.21 - 11:33, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    You mean "extended Director's cuts"? [...]

    Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip
    the added scenes.

    Having no option sounds brutal.


    Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often
    times, the Spanish voice actors are no longer available for
    the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by
    different voice actors than the rest of the movie and it
    sucks sucks sucks.

    Do you *have* to watch the Spanish versions? I thought that
    your command of the English language was pretty good - or, does
    that just apply to the written English?

    I often watch the films in English, but here is the catch:

    I often watch DVDs with family or friends, and those need to watch it in Spanish, so watching it in English is not an option.

    Some DVDs (not many, but some) come with only an audio track, so you cannot select language.

    Many times, the Spanish dubbing is supperior to original voices and it sucks to ditch it out in order to have a consistent experience.

    Then there are Australian films and the like, which are not in English, no matter the falsehoods they spread. Australian is to English what Mexican is to Spanish!


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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Nightfox on Mon Sep 20 07:25:27 2021
    Re: If replacing VHS copies...
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sat Sep 18 2021 05:47 pm

    I've found that often times, a DVD (or blu-ray) movie offers you a choice to watch the theatrical release or the extended release(s). Sometimes both versions are on the same disc and there's a menu option, and other times, there are multiple discs with the different versions of the movie. And other times, the deleted scenes are a special feature rather than being added back into the movie.

    My wife loves F.R.I.E.N.D.S. We have the series on DVD, they cut out so much on the streaming "TV" versions. The DVD versions have a lot of cut jokes.

    That being said it's easier for us to watch on streaming and so we still do inspite of that.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Mon Sep 20 20:38:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Monday 20.09.21 - 03:48, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    Do you *have* to watch the Spanish versions? [...]

    I often watch the films in English, but here is the catch:

    I often watch DVDs with family or friends, and those need
    to watch it in Spanish, so watching it in English is not an
    option.

    Ah.. thought so. Having brandy during a film is more fun with
    friends.


    Many times, the Spanish dubbing is supperior to original
    voices [...]

    Now *that* I did not expect to hear.


    Then there are Australian films and the like, which are not
    in English, no matter the falsehoods they spread.
    Australian is to English what Mexican is to Spanish!

    LOL. Ozzie english is rather quaint. Specific lingo might be
    tricky to follow, but the accent doesn't trouble me.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Tue Sep 21 03:15:50 2021
    Re: If replacing VHS copies...
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Sep 20 2021 08:38 pm

    Many times, the Spanish dubbing is supperior to original
    voices [...]

    Now *that* I did not expect to hear.

    Dubbing is one of the few things we Spaniards do well. The other things we do well are making Gazpacho, taking naps and crashing Spain into the ground.

    Dub actors in here receive a lot of international recognizion and acclaim. They are so good when compared to regular Spanish actors (the ones who make movies) that there are cases in which we get the Spanish actor voiced over by an Spanish voice actor. Because the voice actor is great and the regular actor is a sucker who is on the screen because of some political dealing, usually.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Tue Sep 21 07:02:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-


    I often watch the films in English, but here is the catch:

    I often watch DVDs with family or friends, and those need to watch it
    in Spanish, so watching it in English is not an option.


    One of my favorite movies is "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" starring David Bowie, Tom Conti and Ryuichi Sakamoto. It's been out of print for years, so
    I set up an eBay search for it.

    I finally found it - as "Feliz Navidad, Senor Lawrence". Cheap. It was the correct region, so I bought it. Put it in my computer to rip it and read up
    on foreign language versus alternate language subtitles. DIalog is in
    English, and subtitles are in Spanish.

    There's a lot of Japanese dialog that drives the story, so watching it and trying to translate Spanish subtitles of Japanese dialog was quite a mental chore.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Lupine Furmen on Fri Sep 24 07:33:00 2021
    Hello Lupine Furmen!

    ** On Thursday 23.09.21 - 17:50, Lupine Furmen wrote to Nightfox:

    I find it interesting that with some TV shows that [...]

    Star Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and [...]

    What does ANY of this have to do with Turntables and LP's???????
    -+-

    Sometimes we forget to adjust the Subj when the convo veers on
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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Ogg on Fri Sep 24 13:30:12 2021
    Re: when hobbies take a new turn
    By: Ogg to Lupine Furmen on Fri Sep 24 2021 07:33:00

    This whole thing actually reminds me that I really need to find the time to hook up my USB turntable and start getting my records all converted to digital while they are still playable.
    -+-

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Lupine Furmen on Sat Sep 25 00:20:00 2021
    Hello Lupine Furmen!

    ** On Friday 24.09.21 - 13:30, Lupine Furmen wrote to Ogg:

    This whole thing actually reminds me that I really need to
    find the time to hook up my USB turntable and start
    getting my records all converted to digital while they are
    still playable. -+-

    And there can be some great rewards after that. Some CD or
    streaming versions are not like the original LP releases.

    One of the tracks on, Chris de Burgh's Spanish Train and Other
    Stories LP features a longer ending and a special effect near
    the end. That ending is not found on alternate media.

    A friend of mine noticed the ommission too and said, "Chris de
    Burgh's " A Spaceman Came Travelling" has a neat
    instrumental after a pause at the end of the track that is on
    the LP but is missing from the CD. It always annoyed me very
    much because I thought is was key to the song."

    Wednesday's, Last Kiss, the harmonies sound very different on
    the 45 RPM version which I have compared to the Spotify
    version.

    Of my 1100 LPs, a few dozen are surely unique and not found on
    alternative media. It would be cool to have some of them
    digital so that they could be more portable and be able to que
    them up at a whim of the moment.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Sat Sep 25 08:12:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-

    And there can be some great rewards after that. Some CD or
    streaming versions are not like the original LP releases.

    One of the tracks on, Chris de Burgh's Spanish Train and Other
    Stories LP features a longer ending and a special effect near
    the end. That ending is not found on alternate media.

    Paul Weller's debut solo CD has a "vignette" between two of the tracks
    that's the sound of a needle hitting the parking track, the resonation of someone lifting a turntable's dust cover, taking the needle off, flipping
    the record, placing the needle back on the record and closing the dust
    cover. I'd taped the CD to listen in my car and thought I'd been really
    sloppy recording it!




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