• ..the End of Targeted

    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Thu Feb 23 19:21:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 23.02.23 - 07:30, Arelor wrote to esc:

    I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they can take good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work torwards the Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no difference at a fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and workers' output is taken and used as the Capital sees fit.

    Sounds like what China is doing to its workers.


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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to MRO on Thu Feb 23 21:30:00 2023
    they've also manipulated information on covid, the covid vaccine and they've tried to manipulate the presidential election. those are all facts. ---

    False. Anyway I'm done arguing, it's not going to do any good, not like I'll convince you of anything even if I'm the most persuasive person alive.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Fri Feb 24 12:52:48 2023
    Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Thu Feb 23 2023 07:21 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 23.02.23 - 07:30, Arelor wrote to esc:

    I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they c take good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work torwards the Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no difference at a fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and worker output is taken and used as the Capital sees fit.

    Sounds like what China is doing to its workers.


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    That must be because China is Capitalist. If it was Communist instead, people in China would be free and they would all smoke weed and live happy ever after in a world full of free stuff.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Fri Feb 24 13:12:44 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 09:30 pm

    they've also manipulated information on covid, the covid vaccine and they've tried to manipulate the presidential election. those are all facts. ---

    False. Anyway I'm done arguing, it's not going to do any good, not like I'll convince you of anything even if I'm the most persuasive person alive.

    i'm not arguing.

    but i'm not also going to waste a lot of time here dumping links. people often attack the links if they arent cnn or whatever.

    I'm not a liar and i've demonstrated that i have an excellent memory with things i read.

    I have no horse in this race, so why would i lie.

    It's a fact that facebook has been taken to trial in the past and they have lost several times. It's because of how they treat and misuse their user's information.

    they obviously have been manipulating their userbase in every aspect. they want them to follow a certain mindset and they want them to follow facebook's agenda which in the end are about generating profit.

    facebook is an evil company. twitter was an evil company.
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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to MRO on Fri Feb 24 18:21:00 2023
    i'm not arguing.
    <proceeds to type out a bunch of arguments>

    :P

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Fri Feb 24 22:35:56 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Fri Feb 24 2023 06:21 pm

    i'm not arguing.
    <proceeds to type out a bunch of arguments>

    :P

    you're just seeing it as an argument.

    answer me this: since facebook is full of young people who
    want to make the world such a great place, why don't they hire women?

    why is it mostly white males?
    those are facts.
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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to esc on Fri Feb 24 22:13:20 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

    they did all this stuff because they cared?
    Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

    Yes smart indoctrinated college kids i'm sure.... I'm not going to say they are all like this but for some of the stuff Facebook , Twitter , Youtube and other Social Media Platforms have been doing....
    all indoctrinated but i'm sure a lot of them are.

    BrokenMind

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Fri Feb 24 22:20:13 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: MRO to esc on Fri Feb 24 2023 10:35 pm

    answer me this: since facebook is full of young people who
    want to make the world such a great place, why don't they hire women?

    why is it mostly white males?
    those are facts.

    I'm not too familiar with Facebook's hiring policies, but I've been working as a software developer since 2003, and the whole industry is fairly male-dominated (at least, in the US). I doubt Facebook just doesn't hire women; it just seems that there are few women in the US who decide to go into tech jobs. I did work for one very large (multi-national) tech company and they did have women developers and engineers working there - but many of them were from other countries (mainly India or China).

    Nightfox

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to MRO on Fri Feb 24 23:07:00 2023
    you're just seeing it as an argument.

    And you continue arguing ;) I'm not going to argue. This is silly.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Brokenmind on Sat Feb 25 01:32:11 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: Brokenmind to esc on Fri Feb 24 2023 10:13 pm


    Yes smart indoctrinated college kids i'm sure.... I'm not going to say they are all like this but for some of the stuff Facebook , Twitter , Youtube and other Social Media Platforms have been doing....
    all indoctrinated but i'm sure a lot of them are.

    well are 28 year olds 'college kids'? I wasn't a kid when i was 28.
    granted, some 28 yr olds nowadays still live with the parents which is pathetic.

    i dont think the bottom workers of these social media companies drive what it does and how it does it. it's those few at the top.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Feb 25 01:35:28 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Feb 24 2023 10:20 pm

    I'm not too familiar with Facebook's hiring policies, but I've been working as a software developer since 2003, and the whole industry is fairly male-dominated (at least, in the US). I doubt Facebook just doesn't hire women; it just seems that there are few women in the US who decide to go into tech jobs. I did work for one very large (multi-national) tech company and they did have women developers and engineers working there - but many of them were from other countries (mainly India or China).


    Not everyone at facebook or any social media company HAS to be a white developer.

    fb's demographics have been embarassing since the beginning.

    the proof is in the pudding. and they have been using the same receipe for a very long time. women can do these jobs, it's sexist to think they cant. it's sexist to ignore the demographics that fb has adhered to.

    But that's just one of my examples. fb is an evil company that wants everyone and everything's information. information is power. they also then want to take over the internet and then much more.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Sat Feb 25 01:35:51 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: esc to MRO on Fri Feb 24 2023 11:07 pm

    you're just seeing it as an argument.

    And you continue arguing ;) I'm not going to argue. This is silly.

    i'm not trying to argue either.
    i'm just pointing out facts.

    You're a good person and you're looking at these things using your good person compass. actions speak louder than words. since the beginning facebook and other social media has been evil. they don't mean well. they don't want to protect people. they want to take over. you take over by influencing how people think and what they see.

    fucking myspace tom and his cronies just wanted to show us fucking ads. i miss those days.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sat Feb 25 07:15:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I'm not too familiar with Facebook's hiring policies, but I've been working as a software developer since 2003, and the whole industry is fairly male-dominated (at least, in the US). I doubt Facebook just doesn't hire women; it just seems that there are few women in the US who decide to go into tech jobs. I did work for one very large (multi-national) tech company and they did have women developers and engineers working there - but many of them were from other countries (mainly India or China).

    Not everyone at facebook or any social media company HAS to be a
    white developer.

    fb's demographics have been embarassing since the beginning.

    the proof is in the pudding. and they have been using the same
    receipe for a very long time. women can do these jobs, it's
    sexist to think they cant. it's sexist to ignore the
    demographics that fb has adhered to.

    Maybe you'd have better luck convincing anyone of anything, if you
    actually backed up your claims. What is the source of your "facts" that
    you keep braying about? Where do you see these demographics? Show some
    facts that indicate FB doesn't hire women or non-whites.

    Until then, you're just blowing smoke, and it's not working.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sat Feb 25 07:17:00 2023
    MRO wrote to esc <=-

    you're just seeing it as an argument.

    And you continue arguing ;) I'm not going to argue. This is silly.

    i'm not trying to argue either.
    i'm just pointing out facts.

    Actually, you haven't pointed out a SINGLE "fact". You keep making
    claims, spewing your *opinion*, harping on your conspiracy theories,
    but..... Let's see some links or some other evidence of your "facts".

    References/citations talk; bullshit walks.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to esc on Thu Mar 2 22:55:00 2023
    Hello esc!

    ** On Monday 20.02.23 - 14:57, esc wrote to Ogg:

    This Privacy Ruling Against Facebook and Instagram Could
    Spell the End of Targeted Ads

    Man, this is actually something I'm not a huge fan of.
    Sure, targeted ads and feeling as though you're being spied
    on is lame. Totally. I get it. But facebook is an opt-in
    platform. It's not a public utility like a library, it's a
    business. I don't see how any government can force a
    business to give away access to a commercial platform for
    free.

    One of the problems is that they use your activity data even
    when you are not using FB. I've logged into FB for a few
    minutes, check for some messages and then leave. But when I'd
    visit another website, "targetted ads" based on what I was
    reading on FB appear as ads on that other website! So,
    clearly, FB is distributing my user activity/content info to
    other parties.

    The same ads would follow me when I visit other news sites, for
    example.


    So what's any company that relies on ad revenue to give
    away services supposed to do? Charge for accounts? I guess?

    I can live without FB, so I don't care what they do. I just
    drop by to see if there are any new postings from friends. I
    don't contribute content myself.

    Maybe they could provide the option to turn OFF the
    presentation of ads if I don't want to see them, meanwhile,
    they could still collect and analyse my activity on FB.

    But I don't like the way the ads keep following me from site to
    site.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Fri Mar 3 07:11:12 2023
    Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: Ogg to esc on Thu Mar 02 2023 10:55 pm

    drop by to see if there are any new postings from friends. I
    don't contribute content myself.

    Maybe they could provide the option to turn OFF the
    presentation of ads if I don't want to see them, meanwhile,
    they could still collect and analyse my activity on FB.

    But I don't like the way the ads keep following me from site to
    site.

    dude i was at work at a meeting for a long time and i was complaining about my legs and knees hurting. fucking amazon was showing me some full leg heat and massager thing when i opened it

    https://i.imgur.com/GE8tuNs.png

    the air is clear and the walls have ears!
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Fri Mar 3 06:19:00 2023
    Ogg wrote to esc <=-

    One of the problems is that they use your activity data even
    when you are not using FB. I've logged into FB for a few
    minutes, check for some messages and then leave. But when I'd
    visit another website, "targetted ads" based on what I was
    reading on FB appear as ads on that other website! So,
    clearly, FB is distributing my user activity/content info to
    other parties.

    I've seen people talking about a containerized browser for Facebook,
    don't know if incognito mode would work. The mere fact that people need
    to create a workaround to your company's privacy overreaches is a
    serious issue that reflects the fact that you are their product, not
    their customer.




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  • From Lmorchard@VERT/DECAFBAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Mar 4 02:10:36 2023
    Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Fri Mar 03 2023 06:19 am

    I've seen people talking about a containerized browser for Facebook,
    don't know if incognito mode would work. The mere fact that people need
    to create a workaround to your company's privacy overreaches is a
    serious issue that reflects the fact that you are their product, not
    their customer.

    There is the "Facebook Container" add-on for Firefox:

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-container/

    That does a good job of trying to isolate everything Facebook-related, including cookies and the trackers in embedded share buttons on other sites.

    They do have kind of an insidious octopus of a service spread all around. Sounds like tinfoil hat territory to accurately describe what they do.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Lmorchard on Sat Mar 4 08:01:00 2023
    Lmorchard wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    They do have kind of an insidious octopus of a service spread all
    around. Sounds like tinfoil hat territory to accurately describe what
    they do.

    I especially bristled at them using Facebook for auth -- making it even
    harder for people to disconnect from Facebook when other sites rely on
    FB to authenticate you.

    Spotify, at one point early on, required Facebook auth. They changed
    after a while to allow other 3rd party auth like Google as well as email.




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